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obed
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 28

    02/19/08 at 09:19 AM
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JEEVAN MUKTI

(Liberation in Life)

By Baba Faqir Chand Ji Maharaj

Copyright © 2006

 

 

Chapter 3

The Liberation: Part I

 

 

Liberated alive, is Liberated alone,

No Liberation until life exists, until pains (and) pleasures felt

 

No Liberation in physical body, (then) how Liberation after death?

Liberated (does) not (in) holy places dwell, Liberation there not kept

 

Gallows of doubt not cut in life

Hopes (of) Liberation after death

 

Thirsty man is in life

Wanders thirsty in the dream

 

The detached are bondage free

Live wherever keeps He

 

Without detachment bondage remains

Going nowhere is thee

 

Gain freedom from transmigration

By contemplating Immortal Nam

 

Says Kabir he alone is Guru

Who cuts the gallows of doubt

 

 

From my very childhood I had a keen desire to have spiritual union with God. It was either due to His Grace or due to my own karmas (deeds) of the past. Now, in old age, my thoughts have been changed by my experiences of life. The conclusion of my whole research is Jeevan Mukti (Liberation in life). The aim and objective of all saints has been to achieve this state in life. Sanatan Dharma, Jain Dharma and Buddhist Dharma have all had the same aim of attaining Liberation in life.

 

 

This thought of Liberation in life occurred to me last night when Joginder Singh requested me repeatedly to attend his marriage. However, I had to attend a programme at a world religious conference and then visit Delhi, Indore and Nagpur on Basant Panchami. Repeated requests of Joginder Singh forced me to question myself, "What sort of a Guru am I? For what have I come to this world? Have I attained Liberation?"

 

 

Liberation means freedom from all kinds of bondages. Is there anybody without any bondage? No, all are attached to one object or another. One is attached to the son, another to love of satsangis. Another is in the bondage of God, Guru or internal visions. You practise meditation with great zeal. You enjoy the visions of Sun, Moon and (experience) bliss inwardly. You always feel attracted to these blissful internal scenes. However, if sometimes you fail to see these scenes you become sad. This proves that your aim is confined to a particular mental condition. You are not liberated. You are (still) attached to something.

 

 

Tonight I deeply thought over this very point. Is there any such stage when man can attain Liberation while in body? This is a question to myself. I had pledged to speak to the world of my experiences. However, my experiences are of a very Supreme State and everybody cannot understand them. Still I speak in order to fulfil my pledge. My experiences prove that yogi, meditator, guru, disciple and even the aspirant of salvation are in bondage.

 

 

Bondage means an attachment of our surat (attention) with some thing. It may be gross, subtle or causal. Devotees of God are attached to their devotion and lost in it. They too are in bondage, the only difference is that some bondage is a source of joy whereas others prove to be a source of worry and grief. It is also a fact that without any bondage or attachment, life is impossible in this world of illusion. Now the question arises. Is there any such state of Liberation in life? Yes, that stage does exist. I often live in that state of life at this age.

 

 

I have been able achieve this state of Liberation only by one thought. That is I do not go anywhere either in physical subtle form, or to help anybody. While my manifestations help numerous people, I remain unaware of these amazing incidents. This experience has convinced me that all those scenes of Data Dayal, Sun, Moon, God and Goddess that used to manifest within me were not a Reality, but an illusion.

 

 

To attain this conviction, that your "Self" is Light and Sound and is in reality the attainment of the state of Jeevan Mukta i.e. Dayalpad. By achieving this state, you will have dispassion for all internal visions, forms and scenes. You will stand convinced forever that these thoughts or forms are not a Reality but only reflections of the mind. Some call it the "Self' and others name the thing that feels the existence of the internal visions of Data Dayal or Rama etc. as the Zatt (Reality).

 

 

Swami Shivdayal Singh, Saint Kabir and others have proclaimed saints as the creators of Ishwar (God). If these saints had the right to explain their experiences, then I too have the right to speak the Truth to the world. My experience proves that a person who claims himself as the Base and Source of all creation is also not yet Liberated. My words are tape-recorded for future generations (seekers) and intellectuals to ponder over. Such proclamations that one's Self is Overall or that one is Brahma attracted the worldly people towards those who made such claims.

 

 

Swami Ji said that saints are the creators of God. For this reason people madly followed him, adored and worshipped him. The Truth is far from these mental visions. Those who are attached to these visions and manifestations can never attain Liberation. Forget these manifestations. The element that sees Light and listens to the Sound within is to be kept free from Light and Sound as well in order to attain Panchavan Pad (the Fifth Stage). To the dwellers of the Fifth Stage, even Light and Sound have no attraction. He develops dispassion for Light (Par Brahma) and Sound (Shabad Brahma). As for attaining Satlok, all mental stages are to be dispensed with. (As) for attaining the Absolute Truth, Light and Sound are also to be left. Try to understand what I say. This is not an easy game to play or an easy path to adopt.

 

 

This path is for those who are fed up with sensualities,

(Who) cherish spirituality in mind

 

Love not, progeny and wealth

And search among guru's and saints

 

 

All those saints known for their divinity faced a miserable end. Ramakrishna Parmahansa, Tulsi Dass, Baba Sawan Singh and even Swami Shiv Dayal Singh suffered heavily during the last years of their life. If a saint has really become something (such) as Brahma or the creator of God, then how is it that he cannot cure his own disease? None has any solid answer to this question. If the writing of Swami Shiv Dayal Singh that saints are the creators of God is a fact, then why did these great saints suffer untold physical pains and miseries?

 

 

You people adore me and serve me; I do not want to keep you in the dark. I have spent my entire life in search of the Truth. Whatever I have experienced, I explain in plain words for those who aspire for it. Saint Tulsi Dass writes:

 

 

On the banks of Chitarkut

An assembly of the saints

 

Tulsi Dass grinds Chandan (sandal)

Tilak applies Raghubir (Rama)

 

 

For such couplets of Tulsi Dass in his Ramayana, people followed him, adored him and even worshipped him. A study of his life story reveals that Hanuman and Rama used to appear to him. If it is true that Rama used to appear to him and apply tilak on his forehead, then why did Tulsi Dass suffer physically during his last three years? Can anybody answer this question? No. Whatever I have realised from the state of Liberated life, I state Liberated alive is Liberated alone.

 

 

No Liberation until life exists

 

 

I have experienced that salvation from the cycle of transmigration is impossible until Liberation in life is achieved.

 

 

If Swami Ji, Kabir, etc. could express their experiences of life, similarly I am keen to express my observations. I have not yet been able to remain in that state of Liberated life for a whole twenty-four hours. The process of embracing that Elevated State and coming down continues. However, the practice of surat shabad yoga, this duty of Guruship and (the) experiences of satsangis, helps me to realize that all internal visions are Maya (illusion). And all external manifestations are Shaya (shadows or reflections). Now at this stage, I have dispassion for Light and Sound even for the Panchvan Pad i.e. Vedih Gati (the Fifth stage).

 

Edited and revised by Sant Harjit Singh

http://www.babafaqirchand.com/



Sid
Registered: 04/17/08
Posts: 1

    04/17/08 at 12:09 PM
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My good friend, you are wrong on many, many, many points about Sant Mat.

I don't remember all the points, but one significant one i remember is what you mentioned about these saints who are God.

You say that they die in pain and agony. Yes they do. By their own choice. Yes you heard me, by their own choice.

They are god, so they go along with God's Will. They will not change reality for themselves. Instead they will take on the karmas of the initiates and go through them.

You obviously haven't read many Sant Mat books. I myself started this spiritual only 2 years ago and I can already tell that you haven't read enough of these books, each one has new knowledge.

obed
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 28

    04/23/08 at 05:17 AM
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Dear Sid,
         I want to relate a story.I had a very dear professor at university.One of the acts which endeared him to us students was that he used to
take small groups of us students and to talk to us
about a philosophy of life.
This was of course for me many years ago but what
remained with me during all this life was this.
He said we all need to draw a mental line over
which we wont go-and this applies to most things in life.But what is the importance of this?
Well he explained it not so important the 'where' of
the line but the 'how'.Dont make your line in concrete, it is so much easier to rub it out when it is in sand.

Obed

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    05/05/09 at 02:40 AM
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Obed, my brother I stand with you friend of truth. I get goose bumps reading the Baba Faquir Chand. No one has had the courage of this great person - if you cannot sense the truth ooze from his lines what else can you do?

It is of course ironical the first reply. You and I both know the level of people's consciousness.

I am a fearless warrior for truth and I share my wanderings with you. First I have a couple of Sant Mat initiations (Baba Ji, and yes oh yes Thakar Singh lol!!), and a dzogchen masters initiation (Namkhai Norbu). I tell this so you know I am open to anything - I have inner experience but nothing to suggest these guys or the guys - however I have a friend who has experienced both masters inside - but I do not believe that leads to any real truth to their real natures - just keeping the mind open and the bases covered. I am lucky enough to meet fairly impressive swamis who I have not got initiation from etc. etc.

As you know if you believe in something enough your higher self with provide it for you in the way of inner visions - the baba chand made that point beautifully clear - how come people don't get the impact of that - perhaps they rather hang on  tightly to an inner vision that releases serotonin or dopamine or endorphins into their body - than just be another person who needs to take responsibility for themselves instead of waiting for the greatest mind control program ever of waiting to be saved by someone else!!! - follow the logic. Something is very wrong somewhere!

I prefer to stay as close to semi scientific truth as possible. I am wary of the traditional religions, Sant Mat included!

The only info I find semi reliable is the Michael Newton stuff "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls". He hypnotised people to there past lives and then fast forwarded them to their death and then got them to describe their death and were they went and who they interacted with. There is little mention of all this superstitious nonsense used by religions to control us in these hypnotised people's experience. I would trust a hypnotised person in psychiatrist chair over a hypnotised person walking around in an ashram!!!

I have friends that have there third eye open and believe themselves to be reincarnations of Eygtian gods etc. etc. but they have no wisdom!!!! What is wrong with this picture??? lol - is'nt life funny?

Another semi-scientific truth seeker I tend to rely more on is Robert Monroe as opposed to your standard brainwashing religion - Sant Mat included!

Don't get me wrong. I have direct experience of the dream world, astral travel, travelling through tunnels of white light etc myself, so I know these things exist. - logic itself can shed light on the fact that all is lies. HOW CAN TRUTH EXIST IN ILLUSION? WHAT IS A TRUTH CONTAINED WITHIN AN ILLUSION IF NOT AN ILLUSION of Truth (i.e. another lie)!

Anyway, as you may know you can follow the rabbit hole into the Extra-Terrestrial domain! They have their own creation stories - which seem alot more believable than the religious stuff . Robert Monroe does give us some insight into them (ET's). Some hypnotised people have revealed they have experience on other no human planets (holograms) etc.

At the moment I still feel we are trapped in this illusion against our will - the hypnotised people have informed us that if we refuse to come back to the earth hologram the soul gets taken away for remodelling - doesn't sound too democratic!.

I have not met anyone who has come close to being a man of truth like Baba Faquir Chand - I am sorry I never got to meet him in the flesh.

My partner sees white light coming of Baba Ji covering 300,000 people. This could be a conjureres trick. Imagine an Extra Terrestrial with advanced technology. They project a "physically invisible" white light from a point in space and time where the Guru sits the light they project they know is of the frequency of that that can be picked up by an activated pineal gland. Bingo we got thousands of people worshipping a false guru.

Its not like humans have not been conned into worshipping extra terrestrial gods before in their past history. Secharia Sitchin, sumerian tablets, annunaki etc. etc.

A big tell tale sign you are being had is "Secrecy". "Secrecy" prevents people from being able to ask the "RIGHT QUESTIONS" - those questions that get to the truth! Can you imagine the confusion if people actually got to talk about their inner experiences. How there experiences would clash and contradict many things, how they would bring in other beings beyond the Sant Mat paradigm. The Guru would'nt be able to explain it as anything else other than egotistical ranting - not that the person was being egotistical by saying it out loud but the actual experiences themselves are nothing short of ego - or are they???

Robert Monroe did studies on people who left their bodies and was able to find patterns in people's experiences without having those experiences blocked by a Guru for revealing them. But if you believe your experience will end because you told someone then of course your belief will make them end - ask any good hypnotist about beliefs!! The patterns he found coincided with Baba Faquir Chand - alot of everything is purely created by people's beliefs. Its pretty hard to tell were inner experience beliefs start and end - and that goes for the beliefs fed to the Sant Mat desperadoes!!

Like how come Baba Ji never mentions the aliens? This would take alot of explaining as to where his spirituality (Sant Mat Creation and all that) fits into beings of an Extra-Terrestrial nature who have time-travel and inter-dimensional travelling abilities.

To be honest Baba Ji and Sant Mat really don't have very much information at all about the reality of this creation other than simple fairy tales. Simple people are easily influenced by fairy tales I might add - I am not joking!!

Am I flogging a dead horse here is there anyone else out there with the mind open and awake!!! People simple do not think!






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